PCE, SNES and Genesis Screen Comparison.

SignOfZeta · 10/14/2009, 05:31 AM

Quote from: guest on 10/14/2009, 02:28 AM
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 10/13/2009, 07:47 PMThere are only a couple of US developed TG-16 games, and they are shit.
Yeah, like Beyond Shadowgate, It Came From the Desert, Order of the Griffon, and Camp California.

I wasn't thinking about DOS/Amiga/Mac ports. There are plenty of decent computer games from the US and Europe from back then and them being ported to a console doesn't really mean that there was a selection decent console developers in the Western world in the 80s. It just means that some of them went for the extra cash of a console port post facto. If I were thinking that way I could add Deja Vu and Day of the Tentacle to the NES side of things.

Either way, if these are the only good American games out of the 700+ games for the TG-16/PCE then it just proves my point.

Arkhan Asylum · 10/14/2009, 07:05 AM

Well all things considered, at the time......

I wonder how much English support was actually given to American coders.

I mean if what they had to work with is anything like what we have now, I can't say I blame em.

shubibiman · 10/14/2009, 07:19 AM

Actually, no worry if you don't understand French as BT has brilliantly summed up the debate. So here's an update : I'm the winner. Even if Guyome did not clearly admit that HE was talking bullshit, the way he changed in his messages says it all. End of the story.

CrackTiger · 10/14/2009, 01:14 PM

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 10/14/2009, 05:31 AMThere are only a couple of US developed TG-16 games, and they are shit. But now US games are much better, and innovation/charm/sales in Japan has dropped off big-time.

...I wasn't thinking about DOS/Amiga/Mac ports. There are plenty of decent computer games from the US and Europe from back then and them being ported to a console doesn't really mean that there was a selection decent console developers in the Western world in the 80s. It just means that some of them went for the extra cash of a console port post facto. If I were thinking that way I could add Deja Vu and Day of the Tentacle to the NES side of things.

Either way, if these are the only good American games out of the 700+ games for the TG-16/PCE then it just proves my point.

I agree that Japanese developers made the best games and most of the decent ones in general back then. But the TG-16 is a unique experiment that is different than the rest of the North American market at the time. There aren't 700+ TG-16 games, only PCE games. The PCE does have like 100+ (or more?) foreign created games, but that's separate issue (there was a thread on this a couple years ago).

The Turbo doesn't have a limited number of non-Japanese developed games in general or even just good ones for the same reasons as other consoles. It's because there was almost no third party support from the get go. The overall quality is also not the greatest for different reasons. Obviously budgets and resources for games on a dying platform that never took off in the first place being developed by non-major western developers aren't going to be the same as most for Genesis and SNES. Under the circumstances, I'm surprised how well most of them turned out.

Tatsujin · 10/14/2009, 02:03 PM

more pix, less words

Ceti Alpha · 10/14/2009, 03:45 PM

Quote from: Tatsujin on 10/14/2009, 02:03 PMmore pix, less words

OBEY TATS!!

_Paul · 10/14/2009, 03:49 PM

Quote from: ceti alpha on 10/14/2009, 03:45 PM
Quote from: Tatsujin on 10/14/2009, 02:03 PMmore pix, less words

OBEY TATS!!

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Ceti Alpha · 10/14/2009, 04:51 PM

Wow. This one is a classic "one of these things ain't like the other". Very minor differences among them. I prefer the Amiga sunflower shading, as well as the cloud-like scorebox, though I don't like how the cloud surrounds the screen on the PC version. Another difference I spot is that the PCE port seems to be missing the bush behind the jack-in-the-box. The only thing the PCE has on the Amiga and the PC ports is that the second bunch of flowers on the plateau don't seem to be wilting like on the other two versions. hehe

I give this one to the Amiga. Better shading and details.

ccovell · 10/14/2009, 06:52 PM

Arrgh, I've probably ranted about them before, but I can't stand multi-platform PC ports, because they usually build them for the lowest-common-denominator system; in many cases on the PCE, this is the Atari bloody ST, with its 16-colour screens.

esteban · 10/15/2009, 01:27 AM

Quote from: guest on 10/13/2009, 09:04 PMI personally, and no offense to anyone who is French, cant stand the way it sounds.

Unacceptable. Simply unacceptable.

German and the Nordic langauages (and let's throw Dutch in there, too) -- I can see someone disliking them (personally, I like them), but French? French sounds great!

Goddamn!

SignOfZeta · 10/15/2009, 01:34 AM

Quote from: estebanUnacceptable. Simply unacceptable.

Dude, its Arkhan. He just says shit like that. Basically in every post. He thinks China Warrior is beautiful but the French language is ugly. He's fucking nuts. Don't worry about it.

Arkhan Asylum · 10/15/2009, 01:49 AM

Quote from: ceti alpha on 10/14/2009, 04:51 PMWow. This one is a classic "one of these things ain't like the other". Very minor differences among them. I prefer the Amiga sunflower shading, as well as the cloud-like scorebox, though I don't like how the cloud surrounds the screen on the PC version. Another difference I spot is that the PCE port seems to be missing the bush behind the jack-in-the-box. The only thing the PCE has on the Amiga and the PC ports is that the second bunch of flowers on the plateau don't seem to be wilting like on the other two versions. hehe

I give this one to the Amiga. Better shading and details.

Up to jump brings the Amiga one down into the ground hard.

Its the bane of platformer games.

Quote from: SignOfZetaDude, its Arkhan. He just says shit like that. Basically in every post. He thinks China Warrior is beautiful but the French language is ugly. He's fucking nuts. Don't worry about it.

my friend Lazare from France talks like Pepe Le Pew at school all the time just to piss me off. Actually, that dumbass skunk might be most of my issue here...!

we all like to sit and have our politically incorrect ethnicity insult fests, followed by pizza/air hockey/stuff.

Its kind of neat to be surrounded by tons of 'off the boat' (literally) Europeans with very wacked out senses of humor.

Turbo D · 10/15/2009, 02:00 AM

There are a lot of "fob"s here in SoCal too, just not from Europe. Fobs in SoCal = import goodness!

ParanoiaDragon · 10/15/2009, 03:24 AM

Slime World! Slime World! Slime World! Slime World Slime World!

Arkhan Asylum · 10/15/2009, 04:12 AM

that game has simultaneously the most badass, and corniest cover artwork ever

shubibiman · 10/15/2009, 04:30 AM

Whether we are French, Canadian or American, let's not forget one thing : OBEY TEH PCE!

_Paul · 10/15/2009, 04:45 AM

Quote from: shubibiman on 10/15/2009, 04:30 AMWhether we are French, Canadian or American, let's not forget one thing : OBEY TEH PCE!

Firstly, the French would surely say "Obey Le PC Engine"?

Also, I'm British so I should say "Jolly good show chaps, obey that PC Engine guvnor", before having a cup of tea and putting on my bowler hat.

Arkhan Asylum · 10/15/2009, 05:13 AM

Quote from: guest on 10/15/2009, 04:45 AMAlso, I'm British so I should say "Jolly good show chaps, obey that PC Engine guvnor", before having a cup of tea and putting on my bowler hat.

And since Im American, I say "GIT R DONE!! OBEY THE PC ENGINE!" and wack down a few beers and put on my trucker cap. Right?

shubibiman · 10/15/2009, 05:14 AM

No, we'd rather say "Obéissez à la PC Engine" while picking our nose and having a glass of red wine (Burgundy of course).

_Paul · 10/15/2009, 05:28 AM

Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 10/15/2009, 05:13 AM
Quote from: guest on 10/15/2009, 04:45 AMAlso, I'm British so I should say "Jolly good show chaps, obey that PC Engine guvnor", before having a cup of tea and putting on my bowler hat.
And since Im American, I say "GIT R DONE!! OBEY THE PC ENGINE!" and wack down a few beers and put on my trucker cap. Right?

No, being American you'd refuse to believe that anything outside your country has any importance so you'd say "OBEY THE TURBOGRAFX-16 AND KEITH COURAGE RULEZ"

Quote from: shubibiman on 10/15/2009, 05:14 AMNo, we'd rather say "Obéissez à la PC Engine" while picking our nose and having a glass of red wine (Burgundy of course).

While wearing a beret and a string of onions around your neck of course?

Are we moving into dangerous territory here?

Arkhan Asylum · 10/15/2009, 05:57 AM

Quote from: guest on 10/15/2009, 05:28 AMNo, being American you'd refuse to believe that anything outside your country has any importance so you'd say "OBEY THE TURBOGRAFX-16 AND KEITH COURAGE RULEZ"

LOL OBEY TURBOGRAFX OR YER A TERR'IST

TurboXray · 10/15/2009, 12:04 PM

The Merovingian totally OBEYS TEH PCE. He also CODES TEH PCE. The Merovingian ftw!

Joe Redifer · 10/15/2009, 02:49 PM

Quote from: Tomftw!

Congrats on your victory!

Arkhan Asylum · 10/15/2009, 03:00 PM

Quote from: Tom on 10/15/2009, 12:04 PMThe Merovingian totally OBEYS TEH PCE. He also CODES TEH PCE. The Merovingian ftw!

what the piss is a merovingian.

TurboXray · 10/15/2009, 03:58 PM

Quote from: guest on 10/15/2009, 03:00 PM
Quote from: Tom on 10/15/2009, 12:04 PMThe Merovingian totally OBEYS TEH PCE. He also CODES TEH PCE. The Merovingian ftw!
what the piss is a merovingian.

You mean who. He's an exile from the original days of the system. He also harbors and employs other rouge/exiles. He's a firm believer in causality and that free will is pretty much made null be the choices of individuals made before hand. He was in possession of an exiled program known as the key master. Who later escaped, but died during the process. AFIAK, he's still employs/controls the train master though (who has access/transportation to the main server and remote locations) - as well as many other rouge and exiled programs. The Merovingian. AKA, the Frenchman.

_Paul · 10/15/2009, 04:20 PM

Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 10/15/2009, 03:00 PM
Quote from: Tom on 10/15/2009, 12:04 PMThe Merovingian totally OBEYS TEH PCE. He also CODES TEH PCE. The Merovingian ftw!
what the piss is a merovingian.

He's the boring bit in the Matrix series.

Joe Redifer · 10/15/2009, 08:28 PM

Oh, so parts 2 and 3?

Ceti Alpha · 10/15/2009, 09:55 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 10/15/2009, 08:28 PMOh, so parts 2 and 3?

haha. You took the words right outta my mouth.

Arkhan Asylum · 10/15/2009, 09:57 PM

Man. here i thought i was missing out on something good!

:-D

awack · 10/17/2009, 05:06 AM

Enemy and boss sprites, the only one missing is Death.

Dracula XX, 26 enemy sprites and 9 boss sprites.
Rondo, 55 enemy sprites and 22 boss sprites.

pc engine

pc engine and snes bull

snes

Arkhan Asylum · 10/17/2009, 08:50 AM

LOL that SNES bull looks so stupid. Those are awful color choices

blueraven · 10/17/2009, 02:44 PM

Really no comparison. The PC Engine is a few cuts above the SNES.

awack · 10/17/2009, 05:09 PM

QuoteSlime World! Slime World! Slime World! Slime World Slime World!

Thats one game that i don't have, i should probably pick it up though.

QuoteI demand more shadow of the beast comparisons.

Here are a few.

pce genesis

blueraven · 10/17/2009, 05:18 PM

Wow, this is a pretty cut-and-dry case. The PCE has a better color palette and uses a whole lot more than shades of purple.

awack · 10/17/2009, 08:47 PM

Brandish.

pce snes

Ceti Alpha · 10/17/2009, 09:19 PM

The PCE stands on the edge of a cliff looking down on the tiny SNES Brandish.

Joe Redifer · 10/17/2009, 09:19 PM

The PCE sure looks better, but why is so much of the screen devoted to the GUI? I have noticed this in many PCE games... the actual game-playing portion is just so tiny.

blueraven · 10/17/2009, 09:21 PM

Haha, yeah. The heads up display on the right hand side and textures that don't look like Windows 3.1 did it for me.

CrackTiger · 10/18/2009, 12:05 AM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 10/17/2009, 09:19 PMThe PCE sure looks better, but why is so much of the screen devoted to the GUI? I have noticed this in many PCE games... the actual game-playing portion is just so tiny.

I think that nine times out of ten it's carried over from a computer port.

_Paul · 10/18/2009, 04:52 AM

I thought that SNES one was the Master System at first. They are very un-SNES-like colours.

TurboXray · 10/18/2009, 01:34 PM

Quote from: guest on 10/18/2009, 12:05 AM
Quote from: Joe Redifer on 10/17/2009, 09:19 PMThe PCE sure looks better, but why is so much of the screen devoted to the GUI? I have noticed this in many PCE games... the actual game-playing portion is just so tiny.
I think that nine times out of ten it's carried over from a computer port.

Yup. And Brandish is originally a PC game.

Arkhan Asylum · 10/19/2009, 06:18 AM

i roflcoptered at that Brandish comparison so hard, because if you think it looks bad in screens, the actual game on a TV is worse

I actually LIKE the gui's being all in yo' face.

Vay especially. I dont even know WHY i like guis.

Tatsujin · 10/19/2009, 06:51 AM

i think, they both don't look good enough to animate me for a play. but sure, the PCE is le winner!

guyjin · 10/19/2009, 09:20 AM

I like the graphics of the PCE version better, but I don't like the frame. Also, the shop in the SNES version looks nicer. (the SNES is good at that: making pretty pictures that never, ever move)

awack · 10/19/2009, 11:18 PM

Atomic Robo Kid.

PCE GENESIS

Tatsujin · 10/19/2009, 11:24 PM

as hard as it is to say, but ARK is le better on the MD

Joe Redifer · 10/20/2009, 12:48 AM

Yeah, the Genesis/MD one wins here, though the PCE version certainly isn't bad. Such great artwork for such an uninteresting (to me) game.

blueraven · 10/20/2009, 12:54 AM

I like the bosses better in the PCE version, But the MD gets the rest.

Ceti Alpha · 10/20/2009, 01:45 AM

I definitely have to give it up to the Genny, here. I just like the style of the Genny more on this one. Again, it's not that the PCE is bad, by any means, but looks to be better stylized on the Genny.

Tatsujin · 10/20/2009, 01:48 AM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 10/20/2009, 12:48 AMSuch great artwork for such an uninteresting (to me) game.

why is it uninteressting to you? i always appreciated the UPL style very much. very unique and special. my fav games still is mutant nights, but which never saw a home port. UPL was a great lil' unique company.

anyway i have both ARK at home