Why the PCE? Why Not the Genesis or SNES???

[Arkhan Asylum]

The best part of SSS is the one song in it, for stage 3.

the rest of the game is mediocre at best.

[grahf]

I just picked up SSS and FS yesterday because my other copies are in the US.
I like the whole series, but never appreciated Gunhed as much as most people here do.

[nat]

Ok, whatever crack someone must have slipped into my food at some point today... has apparently worn off. (Thank god)

 I retract my statement of SSS. Having just replayed through the entire game after making that post - SSS is 6.5 or 7 easily. BL is a 9 or 9.5.

 SSS has some great parts, but they are very little. I guess my memory got the best of me on that one, because that's all I seemed to have allowed myself to remember of the game. There are lots of boring parts in between. I like most of the bosses and mini boss of SSS. I like some of the art work, of what little there is really (cause it's damn repetitive). It would have been a lot better if they just made all the stages half as long (at minimum, maybe some even shorter). Gotta go with Nat on this one.  

The game has not aged well. Back in the day, I thought it was pretty cool. Nowadays, the other games in the series just blow it out of the water. You mentioned length, and indeed that is a major problem. The game just drones on and on, there are points where it seems like it'll never end. Most of the decent parts are towards the end of the game. The only standout part for me early in the adventure is the Scorpion boss who's kind of a chump, but at least he's cool in concept.

Some could argue Blazing Lazers suffers from the same affliction, but the killer soundtrack coupled with Compile's knack for keeping things interesting even during long stretches allows it to stay enjoyable. Not to mention the levels are a lot more interesting to begin with. Somehow they completely failed in this regard with Space Megaforce.

[Tatsujin]

btw, for those who might be interested, here's the old SSS thread:

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=6820.0

[ddd1234]

But i was able to beat SSS on my 2nd go without losing more than 1 life.

it's definitely the hardest to beat out of the four PCE Soldier games, and it's harder than GunHed.
did you beat those other games too in around the same time?

I have beaten Soldier Blade, but not final soldier and gunhead.

Soldier blade was slightly harder than SSS In my opinion.

[Tatsujin]

gunhed ;)

[Otaking]

btw, for those who might be interested, here's the old SSS thread:

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=6820.0

Super Star Soldier 9/10
Final Soldier 8/10
Soldier Blade 10/10
Star Parodier 8/10

[Digi.k]

the design of the original white model..   was it really sad to have put this thing in my bed next to my pillow back in those days ???

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Buster Bros. is the only game here I can't comment on, as I haven't played it beyond the five seconds I used to test out my copy when I bought it.

Have Aaron over sometime for beers, brats, and Buster Bros.  You won't be disappointed.

[ddd1234]

I am very picky.

You have interesting tastes.
I would like to know what you think of these titles:-

SNES-
Flying Hero
Aladdin
Area 88
Kirby Superstar
Popn Twinbee

Genesis-
Aladdin
Ristar
Lightening force
Streets of Rage 2
Shadow Dancer

[Nazi NecroPhile]

You have interesting tastes.

Indeed.  He loathes Shape Shifter yet loves Turrican. 

[ddd1234]

I never played Shape Shifter.....but heard that it's like Legendary axe.

[Arkhan Asylum]

I never played Shape Shifter.....but heard that it's like Legendary axe.

Whoever said TEH LEGEMDARY ACKS is like SHAEPSHIFTA, is full retard.

Never go full retard.

Also, Turrican still sucks. 

[TurboXray]

Never go full retard..

One of the best parts of Tropic Thunder ;)

I never played Shape Shifter.....but heard that it's like Legendary axe.

It's neither like LA I or LA II. But fare warned, Shape Shifter is one of those love it or hate type of games.

[OldRover]

SNES-
Flying Hero

Never tried it.

Aladdin

Genesis version is much better.

Area 88

U.N Squadron. Lackluster.

Kirby Superstar

All Kirby is legit.

Popn Twinbee

It's ok.

Genesis-
Aladdin

Much better than the stinky SNES version. But I never really understood this game so I passed it by for the most part.

Ristar

Cool for 5 minutes but gets old fast.

Lightening force

Never tried it.

Streets of Rage 2

Not bad, but seems to lack some charm from the original. Then again, such is the fate of sequels.

Shadow Dancer

Was never really much of a Shinobi fan in general.

I dislike The Legendary Axe but I hate Shape Shifter. I could probably get past LA's technical issues and try to enjoy it, but Shape Shifter is fundamentally broken and is impossible for me to enjoy no matter how much technical savvy the rest of the game has. If the gameplay is fucked, the game is fucked, and its gameplay is fucked beyond repair. I think the only way you can compare LA to SS is that they're both platform slashers... nothing else really compares the two outside of the specific subgenre. As for Turrican... well, Arkhan hates it because it's not a brainless run-and-gun like Contra. Also, it wipes the walls with him. I like Turrican because it's a thinking man's gunner and relies heavily on accuracy of firing and memorization, not blind bullet-festing that any scrub can do.

[Arkhan Asylum]

As for Turrican... well, Arkhan hates it because it's not a brainless run-and-gun like Contra. Also, it wipes the walls with him. I like Turrican because it's a thinking man's gunner and relies heavily on accuracy of firing and memorization, not blind bullet-festing that any scrub can do.

I completed both on the C64, and the Amiga ones, and the SNES one.  The game just sucks.  It's got nothing to do with the thinking aspect.  The thinking aspect is boring.  Theres not much strategy to "shoot randomly into the air to see if you get a platform to appear with STUFFS IN IT!".  Then: ROLL AROUND AND BREAK THE LITTLE TARDPODS.  OH HERE COMES SOME BATS.  BETTER SHOOT THEM AND THEN CONTINUE ON YOUR MERRY WAY. ENJOY THE MUSIC AS YOU MEANDER THROUGH BOREDOM.

DONT BOTHER TRYING TO AIM UP.  ROBOTMEN CANT AIM UP. NEVERMIND THAT YOU CAN AIM 8 WAYS IN CONTRA. THATS STUPID. WERE EUROPEAN SO WE FUCK EVERYTHING UP.  DID YOU TRY MENACE? ITS LIKE RTYPE ONLY WE FUCKED IT UP CAUSE WERE EUROPE.

Robotmans shouldnt have to use strategy.  They should just fuck everything up.  If I want strategy, I will play a real strategy game.   The game has all of the elements of a sweet action game, with none of the action.

It'd help if the enemies werent retarded little doodlepods and stupid crap.  You're basically fighting pop cans, foreman grills, and things that resemble little kid toys.
There are more sinister looking monsters in super mario world ffs.


Heres some irony for you.  Turrican blows. So does RType on the C64 (no sfx, wtf!).  The same man is responsible for both.


GO FIGURE.

[SaturdayMorningRobots]

Maybe this will help explain things.  

Why do I feel like stabbing some nintendogs?
Seriously though that was a stupidly biased video which while semi informative also was incredibly slanted.

First of all who in the quad core age still thinks "bits" mean anything. Second look at the fucking game. PCE games either wow in visual or audio 90% of the time Plus cover art? no contest.

My first console was an odessey 1 TV tennis, My second a 2600. I've been around. I love a lot of Nintendo and Segas's legacy. and several of each's systems, but The PC engine is very special, IMO.

[Tatsujin]

Heres some irony for you.  Turrican blows. So does RType on the C64 (no sfx, wtf!).  The same man is responsible for both.

GO FIGURE.

He did also R²

[nectarsis]

Maybe this will help explain things. 

Why do I feel like stabbing some nintendogs?
Seriously though that was a stupidly biased video which while semi informative also was incredibly slanted.

A "show" named FAMICOM Dojo...slanted/biased??...couldn't see that coming ;)  You need to watch more of their stuff if you want to see the (obvious) bias that's pretty regular.

[SaturdayMorningRobots]

Maybe this will help explain things. 

A "show" named FAMICOM Dojo...slanted/biased??...couldn't see that coming ;)  You need to watch more of their stuff if you want to see the (obvious) bias that's pretty regular.

No that's bullshit, they seem to cover Sega "fairly" fairly. Or Maybe I just find the sega stereotype more true :p Anyway yeah I am a bit of a sucker letting it piss me off.

[OldRover]

Hehehe Ark, you know I'm just messin with ya

However, Shape Shifter does still suck.

[lord_cack]

Well, I just found this thread. Interesting (this topic comes up once every year and a half or so).

OK, why PCE.... it had exclusivity. That was a big part for me. Ys Book I & II, was nowhere else. Beyond Shadowgate, Cosmic Fantasy 2, Gate of Thunder, Lord of Thunder, Dungeon Explorer II.... these games excisted on no other system and i wouldn't want to imagine my teen years without those titles.

Sure, yeah, SNES had some titles I also wouldn't want to forget: ActRaiser I, Secret of Mana, Shadowrun, Super Metroid, Final Fantasy 3, and Super Mario World. But, everyone had those games or rented them back in the day. No one was playing my Turbo games.

The Genesis, it never struck a chord with me. Sonic was OK but really, you could just press Right and Jump and get through most of those games without even paying attention. I really think it never did anything original worthy of merit. All of its A-List titles were either games you could get on the SNES (and probably done better on the SNES) OR was a game trying to BE a game on the SNES (Zelda Rip-Off, Contra Rip-Off etc.)

The Music everyone has mentioned as well stuck with me from my Turbo games. The Genesis tunes all sounded to me like they came through a rope tied between two coffe cans and the SNES while amazing sonically, all its tunes had a similiar sound to them. Shooters sounded similar, RPG's sounded similar, and on and on. Nothing unique really. That may seem general but I think it holds true.

In my opinion the PCE was the last system that had the unique library going for it. Because cross platform has been the way of things for a long time. You get the exclusive title that draws you in (Now a days its God of War PS3, Halo/ Gears of War Xbox 360 etc.) but other than that, its all cross platform. I don't count the Wii really cause the exclusive titles for those systems are Nintedo's Alist games that have been around for years.

[soop]

As for Turrican... well, Arkhan hates it because it's not a brainless run-and-gun like Contra. Also, it wipes the walls with him. I like Turrican because it's a thinking man's gunner and relies heavily on accuracy of firing and memorization, not blind bullet-festing that any scrub can do.

I completed both on the C64, and the Amiga ones, and the SNES one.  The game just sucks.  It's got nothing to do with the thinking aspect.  The thinking aspect is boring.  Theres not much strategy to "shoot randomly into the air to see if you get a platform to appear with STUFFS IN IT!".  Then: ROLL AROUND AND BREAK THE LITTLE TARDPODS.  OH HERE COMES SOME BATS.  BETTER SHOOT THEM AND THEN CONTINUE ON YOUR MERRY WAY. ENJOY THE MUSIC AS YOU MEANDER THROUGH BOREDOM.

DONT BOTHER TRYING TO AIM UP.  ROBOTMEN CANT AIM UP. NEVERMIND THAT YOU CAN AIM 8 WAYS IN CONTRA. THATS STUPID. WERE EUROPEAN SO WE FUCK EVERYTHING UP.  DID YOU TRY MENACE? ITS LIKE RTYPE ONLY WE FUCKED IT UP CAUSE WERE EUROPE.

Robotmans shouldnt have to use strategy.  They should just fuck everything up.  If I want strategy, I will play a real strategy game.   The game has all of the elements of a sweet action game, with none of the action.

It'd help if the enemies werent retarded little doodlepods and stupid crap.  You're basically fighting pop cans, foreman grills, and things that resemble little kid toys.
There are more sinister looking monsters in super mario world ffs.


Heres some irony for you.  Turrican blows. So does RType on the C64 (no sfx, wtf!).  The same man is responsible for both.


GO FIGURE.

Turrican is one of my all-time favorite games.  I like that it's not trying to be Contra.
Plus points are huge levels (like you can go up and down as far as you can across in most levels, but most people will just run straight through), massive sprites, a unique weapon system, awesome graphics and awesome music.

I think it's fair play if you don't like it, I can see why many people wouldn't.  But I don't think calling it rubbish because it's not like a superficially similar game is really fair.

[ddd1234]

I completed both on the C64, and the Amiga ones, and the SNES one.  The game just sucks. 

I am not buying that at all. The fact that you said the game stinks, and yet you managed to stick around and complete several versions of it?
If a game sucks, I don't bother playing it. I know something glued you to these games.

[esteban]

I completed both on the C64, and the Amiga ones, and the SNES one.  The game just sucks. 

I am not buying that at all. The fact that you said the game stinks, and yet you managed to stick around and complete several versions of it?
If a game sucks, I don't bother playing it. I know something glued you to these games.

Indeed, Arkhan doesn't strike me as a masochist who would willingly subject himself to a game he so thoroughly despises.

I, however, have not given up on Turrican TG-16 completely, even though I find it less than captivating.

[esteban]

Buster Bros. is the only game here I can't comment on, as I haven't played it beyond the five seconds I used to test out my copy when I bought it.

Have Aaron over sometime for beers, brats, and Buster Bros.  You won't be disappointed.

Nat, you certainly won't be disappointed by Buster Bros. It is a very nice port with pleasing Red Book and 2-player co-op! I think it holds up remarkably well.

[OldMan]

Indeed, Arkhan doesn't strike me as a masochist who would willingly subject himself to a game he so thoroughly despises.

You don't know him very well, then. He would do it just so he could bitch about how bad it was....

[Nazi NecroPhile]

You don't know him very well, then. He would do it just so he could bitch about how bad it was....

And to see if it has any contents for googling.

[Arkhan Asylum]

The music in the turricans was good... but the gameplay never got very interesting.  I'd rather play Blaster Master and Metroid games if I want big expansive levels and whatnot.


The whole game feels like some crap youd find on one of those LOLSHAREWARE cd's for your brand new Pentium computer.

I finished them on C64 first and thought maybe they blew because its a C64 game so I gave the Amiga ones a shot.  Its not like they take long to beat.  Everyone in C= land raved about the games so I was on a quest to see wtf was so great about it.


The music, thats it.

Listen to the soundtrack, dont play the game.

[soop]

The music in the turricans was good... but the gameplay never got very interesting.  I'd rather play Blaster Master and Metroid games if I want big expansive levels and whatnot.


The whole game feels like some crap youd find on one of those LOLSHAREWARE cd's for your brand new Pentium computer.

I finished them on C64 first and thought maybe they blew because its a C64 game so I gave the Amiga ones a shot.  Its not like they take long to beat.  Everyone in C= land raved about the games so I was on a quest to see wtf was so great about it.


The music, thats it.

Listen to the soundtrack, dont play the game.

Love master blaster.  The game and the song.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Blaster Master 2 on Sega Genesis is what I play if I want a shooty game that requires exploration, and has huge ass levels.

That game was sooooooooooooo awesome.

[soop]

Blaster Master 2 on Sega Genesis is what I play if I want a shooty game that requires exploration, and has huge ass levels.

That game was sooooooooooooo awesome.

[ddd1234]

Blaster Master 2 on Sega Genesis is what I play if I want a shooty game that requires exploration, and has huge ass levels.

That game was sooooooooooooo awesome.

Do you like rendering rangers for Super famicom, tat game is awesome!

Now that one blows away all 16-bit games when it comes to best "16-bit" visuals.

[TurboXray]

Blaster Master on the NES was awesome. BM2 on the Genesis was bullshit wanna be. Maybe it's a fine game by itself (I'll at least give it that), but otherwise I think it sucks much ass. I think it's just some licensed US or EU crap. No original crew/company involved in it. I refuse to play that game... ever.

[esteban]

Blaster Master 2 on Sega Genesis is what I play if I want a shooty game that requires exploration, and has huge ass levels.

That game was sooooooooooooo awesome.

Great stuff, for real

And right up Arkhan's Alley:

[Joe Redifer]

I couldn't get into Blaster Master 2 because the music was horrible and it felt really weird, definitely not like a true sequel.  The first one was known for having amazing music.  Apparently part 2 was not programmed in Japan, but by inferior people.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Blaster Master on the NES was awesome. BM2 on the Genesis was bullshit wanna be. Maybe it's a fine game by itself (I'll at least give it that), but otherwise I think it sucks much ass. I think it's just some licensed US or EU crap. No original crew/company involved in it. I refuse to play that game... ever.

Its a great game, really.  From what I gathered, the original crew of Blaster Master didn't make a sequel to Blaster Master after finding out about BM2, because BM2 was great stuff.  I remember magazine reviews giving it good marks, and that was how I found out about the game.  The music is basically "of the time" western music.  Weird thumpy trance stuff.  It's still not awful.

saying it sucks because it wasn't done by the Japanese crew is a bit unfair.  Especially since its one of the rare instances where the western world didn't fuck something up that originated in Japan.   They could have Green Beret'd the hell out of it (See: MSX Green Beret), or basically any other European take on Konami games for the C64/MSX.  It's sad.

The 3rd blaster master on Playstation was awesome too.  The atmosphere was amazing.  It was a really solid jump from 2d to 3d.  


and hey Esteban, I like Ultima IV, and even Ultima II.  II is just busted as fuck and needs fixed.

[Mathius]

I couldn't get into Blaster Master 2 because the music was horrible and it felt really weird, definitely not like a true sequel.  The first one was known for having amazing music.  Apparently part 2 was not programmed in Japan, but by inferior people.

Yeah, Sunsoft had a knack for creating gold nuggets with any chip they touched. Sunteam Paul really opened my eyes to their genius with tracks from Batman (MD and NES), Blaster Master (NES), etc.

[esteban]

and hey Esteban, I like Ultima IV, and even Ultima II.  II is just busted as fuck and needs fixed.

I know . Look closely:



You despise Turrican, so it is a THUG who must be shot, immediately. You HEART Ultima IV, so it is a lovely gal (with a purse, no less!). And, well, then there's Ultima II, just as confused and clueless as the elderly gentleman who is looking for his newspaper (but has forgotten it's in his armpit).

[Mathius]

It took me a while, but I am slowly understanding Estaban's sense of humor. Yay Ha Ha!

[Arkhan Asylum]

Yeah but when I play Hogans Alley I cap everyone and throw the zapper at the TV.

[TheClash603]

Why is it that light gun games got worse after the NES?  The 16-bit systems light gun games sucked, and the TG-16 didn't even get one.  Virtua Cop/House of the Dead games excluded, I never touch a light gun game that's not for the NES.

Yet for the NES, I often play Hogan's Alley, Duck Hunt, Gotcha, and Chiller.

Someone needs to do a Lucky and Wild home port to a system of their choosing; with multi-tap, wheel, and guns support.

[Tatsujin]

Wildgunman is still the best of the best

and the one for the movie

[OldRover]

Why is it that light gun games got worse after the NES?  The 16-bit systems light gun games sucked, and the TG-16 didn't even get one.

Emphasis for importance! I'm glad the PCE/TG16 didn't get one!

[Arkhan Asylum]

Why is it that light gun games got worse after the NES?  The 16-bit systems light gun games sucked, and the TG-16 didn't even get one.  Virtua Cop/House of the Dead games excluded, I never touch a light gun game that's not for the NES.

Elemental Gearbolt, Project Horned Owl.

Get .

[ddd1234]

Do you guys agree that Super bonk 2 is the best bonk game?

[Tatsujin]

Do you guys agree that Super bonk 2 is the best bonk game?

No bonk outside the PCE can be the best bonk

[nat]

Super Bonk 2 is a decent Bonk game, but it's a bit of a departure from the rest. Super Bonk 1 (Bonk 4) is really awful, though. I personally enjoy Bonk 3 (non-CD version) the best.

[Tatsujin]

I go with pc genjin 1 & 2

[Joe Redifer]

Tats, loved the spinning gun when you won in Wild Gunman.  Surprised the cord didn't get caught up around your hand.