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esteban · 06/16/2013, 09:43 AM

Quote from: guest on 06/16/2013, 02:30 AM
Quote from: Mathius on 06/15/2013, 09:40 PMDungeon Explorer is definitely the superior game. I think Neutopia has some fine music and atmosphere, but doesn't hold up the imaginative standards set by The Legend of Zelda. The first three Zelda games have a soul.
I almost beg to differ. I love A link to the Past. It's one of my favorite games on the snes. However, my 5 yr old son and I have been playing through it for the past few days and when I popped in Neutopia as a little break, he LOVED it. It nearly brought a tear to by eye. We've been playing that ever since.

This warms my heart. Have you shown him the original Zelda yet?[/quote]
Let him beat Neutopia first! Then say, "...and here's the "original" Neutopia: it's called..."

Mathius · 06/16/2013, 02:30 PM

Quote from: esteban on 06/16/2013, 09:43 AM
Quote from: guest on 06/16/2013, 02:30 AM
Quote from: Mathius on 06/15/2013, 09:40 PMDungeon Explorer is definitely the superior game. I think Neutopia has some fine music and atmosphere, but doesn't hold up the imaginative standards set by The Legend of Zelda. The first three Zelda games have a soul.
I almost beg to differ. I love A link to the Past. It's one of my favorite games on the snes. However, my 5 yr old son and I have been playing through it for the past few days and when I popped in Neutopia as a little break, he LOVED it. It nearly brought a tear to by eye. We've been playing that ever since.
This warms my heart. Have you shown him the original Zelda yet?

Let him beat Neutopia first! Then say, "...and here's the "original" Neutopia: it's called..."[/quote]
Ingenious! Why didn't I think of that?

TR0N · 06/17/2013, 01:16 AM

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Quote from: allyourblood on 06/15/2013, 10:19 PM
Quote from: Mathius on 06/15/2013, 09:40 PMDungeon Explorer is definitely the superior game. I think Neutopia has some fine music and atmosphere, but doesn't hold up the imaginative standards set by The Legend of Zelda. The first three Zelda games have a soul.
I loved Zelda and LttP both (and the two Neutopias!), but when it comes to these types of games, I always pick Crusader of Centy first. A lot of people will disagree with me, but I love the FM tunes and the way the game controls. It's a reasonably long game and has lots of cool little hidden surprises and funny remarks from NPCs. To me it feels like a perfect mix of the depth of LttP with the lighter action-first vibe of Neutopia.
Crusader of Centy is a game that has always eluded me. I have never seen it for sale anywhere (aside from ebay). One day I hope to see what all the fuss is about. I refuse to emulate games in most cases.
Crusader of Centy is a obscure one but a solid action rpg for the genesis.It was a late release by atlus so id assume it didn't have a large run.If you want don't want to emulate it,it can be played off a flashcart.Not to mention the japanese version often go's for $20.00 complete under the name shinsouseseiki ragacenty.When it came out originally i remember it being compared more towards zelda lttp then neutopia.
I'll probably hold out for a NA copy. Patience seems to always work out for me.

Quote from: guest on 06/16/2013, 02:30 AM
Quote from: Mathius on 06/15/2013, 09:40 PMDungeon Explorer is definitely the superior game. I think Neutopia has some fine music and atmosphere, but doesn't hold up the imaginative standards set by The Legend of Zelda. The first three Zelda games have a soul.

Good luck on that then,often a loose of crusader of centy go's for $90.00.Even more if the game is complete with box and manual.

majors · 06/17/2013, 08:44 AM

Quote from: allyourblood on 06/15/2013, 10:19 PMI loved Zelda and LttP both (and the two Neutopias!), but when it comes to these types of games, I always pick Crusader of Centy first.

If we are going with Zelda "like" games, I'll throw in Beyond Oasis by Ancient on the Genny. Of course being a late release and having the Koshiro clan working on it lends to it be so solid.

Joe Redifer · 06/17/2013, 03:14 PM

Didn't Crusader o' Centy come with a small strategy guide of sorts? Because my copy has one. It seems to have been published by Assless I mean Atlus.

roflmao · 06/18/2013, 01:47 PM

Quote from: Mathius on 06/16/2013, 08:32 AMThis warms my heart. Have you shown him the original Zelda yet?

Sadly, I don't currently own it. But if I ever find it on the cheap out in the wild, I'll pick it up and I'm sure we'll love it.

TR0N · 06/19/2013, 01:06 AM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 06/17/2013, 03:14 PMDidn't Crusader o' Centy come with a small strategy guide of sorts? Because my copy has one. It seems to have been published by Assless I mean Atlus.

I don't know when i had the game before i don't remember it having one.

BigusSchmuck · 06/22/2013, 12:03 AM

So what's next on Gamesack? Clones I hope?

Joe Redifer · 06/22/2013, 03:29 AM

Clones? No I don't have any of those.

Tatsujin · 06/22/2013, 05:07 AM

One soon will be le peke special, as i have heard

BigusSchmuck · 06/22/2013, 12:03 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 06/22/2013, 03:29 AMClones? No I don't have any of those.

Really? According to my wife you look a lot like this guy (or this guy looks a lot like you)

Long lost relative perhaps?

Tatsujin · 06/22/2013, 12:21 PM

I think Joe looks slightly better than that guy

BigusSchmuck · 06/22/2013, 12:33 PM

Quote from: Tatsujin on 06/22/2013, 12:21 PMI think Joe looks slightly better than that guy

Thats what I told my wife. Anyway, can't wait until the next episode of game sack!

Joe Redifer · 06/22/2013, 02:32 PM

That guy may want to be me, but he's probably too smart.

Mathius · 06/22/2013, 04:02 PM

You should have him stand-in for an episode and see if anyone notices.

Tatsujin · 06/22/2013, 10:40 PM

Hahaha!!!!

esteban · 06/23/2013, 01:55 AM

Quote from: Mathius on 06/22/2013, 04:02 PMYou should have him stand-in for an episode and see if anyone notices.

Great idea! If only Joe could do this.

Joe Redifer · 06/23/2013, 01:56 AM

No way would I ever do that. The audience would probably prefer him!

TR0N · 06/23/2013, 03:00 AM

GaMe SacK-mOre oVerlooked gEms

Tatsujin · 06/23/2013, 06:32 AM

watcheen that nao

SuperDeadite · 06/23/2013, 07:26 AM

The problem with Elemental Master, is that Undeadline just destroys it in all aspects. EM is a decent game, but man Undeadline just does it so much better.

Tatsujin · 06/23/2013, 07:37 AM

the white socks duo

BigusSchmuck · 06/23/2013, 02:15 PM

Cool episode, glad we finally saw some Beyond Shadowgate loving!

VenomMacbeth · 06/23/2013, 04:16 PM

SO glad you mentioned Shinobi Legions. I have the Japanese version & I love it, cheesy cutscenes and all!

Joe Redifer · 06/24/2013, 02:46 PM

Quote from: SuperDeadite on 06/23/2013, 07:26 AMThe problem with Elemental Master, is that Undeadline just destroys it in all aspects.

Not in the music aspect! From what I've played of Undeadline it was initially too hard for me to care about continuing to play it. Elemental Master eases you into the difficulty like a properly designed game should. Games that are hard right off the bat are really only championed by people who consider themselves elite and I don't like those people. That said, I have not really put a lot of time into Undeadline so take my comments with a grain of salt. I do remember liking the cemetery stage.

geise · 06/24/2013, 03:09 PM

Super is probably comparing x68k version anyways, which is totally unfair.

Both are good games on the MD, but I also prefer Elemental Master over Undeadline.

SuperDeadite · 06/24/2013, 10:46 PM

Actually I'm comparing the MD versions. The MD Undeadline was done by PAL Soft and is a totally different game from the MSX and X68000 versions. The computer versions are both awesome in a masochistic kind of way, but have parts that require pure luck to survive. PAL Soft's changes for the MD version make it a much better game to actually play. They completely removed all the random crap, and the focus is on pure skill. It's a tough game for sure, but never cheap. It's a lot like R-Type imo, when you die, it's your fault.

Mathius · 06/24/2013, 10:48 PM

Why have I been ignoring Granada for so long? I was picking my jaw up off the keyboard when I saw those sprite rotational effects. Nice!

I have been hoping to come across Elemental Master for ages. Not once have I scored. I'll keep looking.

Dave really sold me on that Kirby game. I am not the hugest fan of Arkanoid clones but sometimes I like to fire one up. Like Metal Orange Kirby looks to be lots of fun!

I picked up Shinobi at MGC this year. I played through a couple stages, then put it down. Yuzo Koshiro really adds so much to the "Shinobi Experience", but I'll try to put my feelings aside and give it another chance. I might track down that European version just to have a different OST to enjoy.

Thanks for all your hard work, Joe and Dave!

Edited for disconnected thoughts that filtered onto the screen.

SuperDeadite · 06/24/2013, 11:05 PM

Quote from: Mathius on 06/24/2013, 10:48 PMWhy have I been ignoring Granada for so long? I was picking my jaw up off the keyboard when I saw those sprite rotational effects. Nice!

I have been hoping to come across Elemental Master for ages. Not once have I scored. I'll keep looking.

Dave really sold me on that Kirby game. I am not the hugest fan of Arkanoid clones but sometimes I like to fire one up. Aside from Metal Orange Kirby looks to be lots of fun!

I picked up Shinobi at MGC this year. I played through a couple stages, then put it down. Yuzo Koshiro really adds so much to the "Shinobi Experience", but I'll try to put my feelings aside and give it another chance. I might track down that European version just to have a different OST to enjoy.

Thanks for all your hard work, Joe and Dave!

Don't you own an X68000 now? Play Granada on that. It has way better colors then the MD port.

Mathius · 06/24/2013, 11:07 PM

Quote from: SuperDeadite on 06/24/2013, 11:05 PM
Quote from: Mathius on 06/24/2013, 10:48 PMWhy have I been ignoring Granada for so long? I was picking my jaw up off the keyboard when I saw those sprite rotational effects. Nice!

I have been hoping to come across Elemental Master for ages. Not once have I scored. I'll keep looking.

Dave really sold me on that Kirby game. I am not the hugest fan of Arkanoid clones but sometimes I like to fire one up. Aside from Metal Orange Kirby looks to be lots of fun!

I picked up Shinobi at MGC this year. I played through a couple stages, then put it down. Yuzo Koshiro really adds so much to the "Shinobi Experience", but I'll try to put my feelings aside and give it another chance. I might track down that European version just to have a different OST to enjoy.

Thanks for all your hard work, Joe and Dave!
Don't you own an X68000 now? Play Granada on that. It has way better colors then the MD port.

My collection hasn't grown since MGC. I am set to maybe get hooked up with CF in a few weeks so maybe I can get Beamer to include that game. And if I do I will get the MD version anyway just for comparison's sake.

TR0N · 07/07/2013, 02:28 AM

Game SacK-The Ys Series

munchiaz · 07/07/2013, 12:11 PM

Quote from: TR0N on 07/07/2013, 02:28 AMGame SacK-The Ys Series

Another awesome ep. really loved the cameo from Johnny

BigusSchmuck · 07/07/2013, 02:08 PM

Cool episode. Looks like Ys finally got the love it deserves.

Just a thought, maybe do one on point and click adventure games like Discworld and Blazing Dragons? I know both of them were released on the PS1 and Sega Saturn and from what I can see on the net there hasn't been a review comparing the different ports of said games.

Mathius · 07/07/2013, 08:17 PM

Did you join the X68000 club, Joe? If so welcome, my friend.

Tatsujin · 07/07/2013, 08:37 PM

Quote from: Mathius on 07/07/2013, 08:17 PMDid you join the X68000 club, Joe? If so welcome, my friend.

Lol, you don't know math?

Mathius · 07/07/2013, 09:08 PM

Quote from: Tatsujin on 07/07/2013, 08:37 PM
Quote from: Mathius on 07/07/2013, 08:17 PMDid you join the X68000 club, Joe? If so welcome, my friend.
Lol, you don't know math?

I did not.

BlueBMW · 07/07/2013, 09:33 PM

Its on loan, but who knows he might like it so much he wont give it back ;)

Mathius · 07/07/2013, 09:42 PM

Quote from: BlueBMW on 07/07/2013, 09:33 PMIts on loan, but who knows he might like it so much he wont give it back ;)

He probably won't want to pay to have it shipped back. Those beasts are heavy! I am sure shipping charges are enormous.

Joe Redifer · 07/08/2013, 01:44 AM

Well I am using my mind powers to make BlueBMW move out here some day so that I won't have to ship it back.

BlueBMW · 07/08/2013, 08:04 AM

If I can swing it, Im aiming for next summer now!

Tatsujin · 07/08/2013, 08:50 AM

ich luegs etz grad

Mathius · 07/08/2013, 03:34 PM

Quote from: Tatsujin on 07/08/2013, 08:50 AMich luegs etz grad

Tats, please speak 'merican. My ignorance doesn't let me understand anything else.

turboswimbz · 07/08/2013, 04:07 PM

Quote from: Mathius on 07/08/2013, 03:34 PM
Quote from: Tatsujin on 07/08/2013, 08:50 AMich luegs etz grad
Tats, please speak 'merican. My ignorance doesn't let me understand anything else.

Something is swissel about loving some sort of degree . . . hehehe

TR0N · 07/14/2013, 03:15 AM

Game Sack The Neo Geo X firmware update review

BigusSchmuck · 07/21/2013, 02:15 AM

New Gamesack episode on the Master System.

Tatsujin · 07/21/2013, 04:27 AM

Cool show, but you really have to lissen to the FM of galaxy Force II. It's lightyears better than the MD version. If nothing else comes near to the arcade, then at least its music does.

Sure has some of the best tunes on any SMS games ever.

VenomMacbeth · 07/21/2013, 04:46 AM

Great episode! The Master System really should have been the NES-killer.

Mathius · 07/21/2013, 07:54 PM

Oh man, Joe, my heart was racing when I started watching this episode! There are so many thoughts running through my mind as each game is featured, but I can't spend the time commenting on each feeling. I will say that the PSG version of Space Harrier trumps the FM in that one rare case. Also, I can totally *TOTALLY* relate being obsessive with parallax. I see it everywhere! Especially when I am driving. I guess it isn't too safe looking out my driver window at the scrolling horizon is it?

futureman2000 · 07/21/2013, 08:18 PM

Awesome episode! I have a strong affinity for the SMS- it was my first console as well. The FM really makes it shine in comparison to the NES, too bad they didn't include it over here. It makes the games seem a lot less glitchy, because it doesn't cut out as much as the PSG (or do I imagine that?).

Joe Redifer · 07/22/2013, 02:36 AM

Well maybe it's just me, but I think a few games that have FM music also use PSG for some sound effects. I don't think many do this but I'm pretty sure a few do. I wish more did. The FM kind of sucks for sound effects (just listen to the sound effects in Golvellius or Lord of the Sword). Maybe it would have been too difficult or memory intensive to say "use PSG sound effects and let FM do all music"? Or maybe the programmers didn't think to do this? I don't know.